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【八一征文】律师的社会问题

热度 9已有 12784 次阅读2012-8-2 05:08 |系统分类:【文队】-文章| 八一, 律师

历史总是在重复、循环。。。法治社会最终还是依赖于人的素质。

让我们读读罗马帝国时代律师行当的历史吧。以下引自《罗马帝国衰亡史》中关于律师行业的描述。最后一段说:

律师们不顾名誉与正义,他们是无知而贪婪的向导,把他们的客户引入一个个费用、拖延与失望的迷宫,直到后者在数年诉讼之后,财力耗尽。

The profession of the law.
All the civil magistrates were drawn from the profession of the law. The celebrated Institutes of Justinian are addressed to the youth of his dominions who had devoted themselves to the study of Roman jurisprudence; and the sovereign condescends to animate their diligence by the assurance that their skill and ability would in time be rewarded by an adequate share in the government of the republic. (120) The rudiments of this lucrative science were taught in all the considerable cities of the East and West; but the most famous school was that of Berytus, (121) on the coast of Phoenicia, which flourished above three centuries from the time of Alexander Severus, the author perhaps of an Institution so advantageous to his native country. After a regular course of education, which lasted five years, the students dispersed themselves through the provinces in search of fortune and honours; nor could they want an inexhaustible supply of business in a great empire already corrupted by the multiplicity of laws, of arts, and of vices. The court of the Praetorian praefect of the East could alone furnish employment for one hundred and fifty advocates, sixty-four of whom were distinguished by peculiar privileges, and two were annually chosen with a salary of sixty pounds of gold to defend the causes of the treasury. The first experiment was made of their judicial talents by appointing them to act occasionally as assessors to the magistrates; from thence they were often raised to preside in the tribunals before which they had pleaded. They obtained the government of a province; and, by the aid of merit, of reputation, or of favour, they ascended, by successive steps, to the illustrious dignities of the state. (122) In the practice of the bar these men had considered reason as the instrument of dispute; they interpreted the laws according to the dictates of private interest; and the same pernicious habits might still adhere to their characters in the public administration of the state. The honour of a liberal profession has indeed been vindicated by ancient and modern advocates, who have filled the most important stations with pure integrity and consummate wisdom; but in the decline of Roman jurisprudence the ordinary promotion of lawyers was pregnant with mischief and disgrace. The noble art, which had once been preserved as the sacred inheritance of the patricians, was fallen into the hands of freedmen and plebeians, (123) who, with cunning rather than with skill, exercised a sordid and pernicious trade. Some of them procured admittance into families for the purpose of fomenting differences, of encouraging suits, and of preparing a harvest of gain for themselves or their brethren. Others, recluse in their chambers, maintained the gravity of legal professors, by furnishing a rich client with subtleties to confound the plainest truth, and with arguments to colour the most unjustifiable pretensions. The splendid and popular class was composed of the advocates, who filled the Forum with the sound of their turgid and loquacious rhetoric. Careless of fame and of justice, they are described for the most part as ignorant and rapacious guides, who conducted their clients through a maze of expense, of delay, and of disappointment from whence, after a tedious series of years, they were at length dismissed, when their patience and fortune were almost exhausted(124)

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回复 中西部网客 2012-8-2 05:29
美国人说律师:Lawyers are liars. They are blood suckers.

纽约海胖律师很象所描述的。
回复 岳东晓 2012-8-2 05:32
中西部网客: 美国人说律师:Lawyers are liars. They are blood suckers.

纽约海胖律师很象所描述的。
以前我一提贺梅案,就有人说你又来了,烦不烦?我说,美国华人史上除了贺梅案,都是血泪史,只要遇到法律问题,不提贺梅案,难道去引用那些失败的例子?

海明最近模仿我们在贺梅案中的一些战法。

他严厉指控法官偏见,不知现在情况怎样了。
回复 律师 2012-8-2 06:15
您知道吗,一个王立山医生可救活三个律师, 只是不是用他的医术。
回复 岳东晓 2012-8-2 06:54
律师: 您知道吗,一个王立山医生可救活三个律师, 只是不是用他的医术。
可王立山偏要自己辩护。
回复 心如水 2012-8-2 06:56
不知道能有什么制度可以替代律师的作用。我所接触的律师基本就是职业骗子。以前听到这个说法还不那么以为然,经历了以后才知道这的确是最正确的描述。
回复 律师 2012-8-2 06:56
岳东晓: 可王立山偏要自己辩护。
那三个律师 still standby, so they got paid by the government.
回复 岳东晓 2012-8-2 06:59
心如水: 不知道能有什么制度可以替代律师的作用。我所接触的律师基本就是职业骗子。以前听到这个说法还不那么以为然,经历了以后才知道这的确是最正确的描述。 ...
就是应该简化诉讼程序,这样不需律师,诉讼人可以自己上。

比起以前,现在其实好多了,法律、案例网上都可以查到,不像以前,这些信息被律师垄断了。
回复 心如水 2012-8-2 07:36
岳东晓: 就是应该简化诉讼程序,这样不需律师,诉讼人可以自己上。

比起以前,现在其实好多了,法律、案例网上都可以查到,不像以前,这些信息被律师垄断了。 ...
法官也是律师出身,不公正的法官还是一样。
回复 心如水 2012-8-2 07:38
岳东晓: 就是应该简化诉讼程序,这样不需律师,诉讼人可以自己上。

比起以前,现在其实好多了,法律、案例网上都可以查到,不像以前,这些信息被律师垄断了。 ...
即便是有法律,但没有经验的人一开始就被引导同意不能上诉,接受终审判决。法官就随便判,完全没有公正。
回复 wx1wx2 2012-8-2 08:18
中西部网客: 美国人说律师:Lawyers are liars. They are blood suckers.

纽约海胖律师很象所描述的。
99%的律师们不顾名誉与正义,他们是无知而贪婪的向导,把他们的客户引入一个个费用、拖延与失望的迷宫,直到后者在数年诉讼之后,财力耗尽。
海胖还算不上最卑鄙。
回复 cannaa 2012-8-2 08:19
美国法律界已经回到罗马那时的腐败;
美国律师就像美国媒体一样,选择性地罗列事实,不知公正为何物;
所有我能告知的是只找打赢才收费的律师,绝对不能按时收费,那样律师就吃定你了。
回复 wx1wx2 2012-8-2 08:33
岳东晓: 以前我一提贺梅案,就有人说你又来了,烦不烦?我说,美国华人史上除了贺梅案,都是血泪史,只要遇到法律问题,不提贺梅案,难道去引用那些失败的例子?

海明最 ...
他严厉指控法官偏见---指控他,他反而不敢报复。不指控,他反而捏软柿子得寸进尺。是这样吗?
回复 黄种人 2012-8-2 10:01
发个牢骚,如果华人案子都像贺梅案那样,华人在美国的地位早就提高了。
至少也像王立山那样也行。如果想学韩信的胯下之辱,但请先问问,您是韩信那块料吗
回复 蓝天绿地 2012-8-2 10:06
zt法治社会最终还是依赖于人的素质
关键在这里!
回复 蓝天绿地 2012-8-2 10:08
岳东晓: 就是应该简化诉讼程序,这样不需律师,诉讼人可以自己上。

比起以前,现在其实好多了,法律、案例网上都可以查到,不像以前,这些信息被律师垄断了。 ...
zt职业骗子
回复 中西部网客 2012-8-2 10:28
岳东晓: 就是应该简化诉讼程序,这样不需律师,诉讼人可以自己上。

比起以前,现在其实好多了,法律、案例网上都可以查到,不像以前,这些信息被律师垄断了。 ...
确实很多东西网上都可以查到,当然可以 Pro Se,用律师加网上查询相关信息也不会被蒙骗。上次一个案子和律师谈话时告诉他 google 上如此这般解释,结果律师很不高兴:“You get what you pay for, ...”。
回复 绛紫湮 2012-8-2 11:37
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